Put more guns on planes? Really?

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By Jim Bryan

Yes, really.

Most of the time, when I hear about some new measure to be taken in the war on terror, I shake my head or roll my eyes because I know it plays into their hands. Taking off our shoes is not going to make us safe, it just wastes time and money. Airport scanners may be effective short-term, but are rife with potential for abuse, are cost-prohibitive, and like all static security measures, will be eventually be evaded by terrorists. Spending billions of dollars occupying two countries is not helping, it just wastes time and money while committing assets that would be better spent hitting terrorist bases and at the same time, allowing our enemies to use the occupations for propaganda purposes. Much of what we are doing amounts to little more than chasing our own tails.

The Mujaheddin defeated a Superpower in the 1980s. The Soviet Union was destroyed financially, not militarily. The men who defeated one of the most powerful nations the world has ever known founded Al Qaeda. They are using the tactics against us that worked against their past enemies while continually developing new ones.

Our current situation in America is as such: We are wasting valuable military assets and BILLIONS of dollars occupying two countries we have defeated militarily, then deposed and replaced their governments, and finally forced to accept laws which favor US and UK business interests. The elephant in the room seems to be that these military occupations are directly contributing to our financial collapse--which is how the Mujaheddin beat the Russians--instead of effectively fighting our real enemies. What we should have done years ago was declare victory (because by any measure, our boys--and girls--won...years ago), aggressively train local police and military forces in each country, and then leave within the next six to ten months. This will free up military, intelligence, and financial assets to more effectively track and neutralize terrorists and terrorists groups worldwide.

The Underpants Bomber, the Shoe Bomber, and others, have shown that we cannot solely rely on intelligence assets and airport screening to prevent attacks. If we want to find terrorists, we should use intelligence assets. If we want to kill terrorists, we should send in military forces. But most importantly, if we want to catch terrorists, however; we must rely on law enforcement. The Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association (FLEOA) and the National Troopers Coalition (NTC) have an idea that WILL make us safer during domestic flights. Their idea? Put more guns on more planes.

These guys are great, but they can't do it alone...or off-duty.

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As a work of the U.S. government, this image is in the public domain.

The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004

LEOSA, signed into law by President Bush, authorized all active and retired law enforcement officers who are certified by the terms of the statute, to carry their firearms virtually anywhere in the country, at any time. Some terms of the statute include annual requirements for weapons qualifications and medical screenings. This law has led to increased crime prevention and has allowed law enforcement officers to stop criminal activity in many situations over the last six years.

The law, however, did not offer specific language regarding aircraft, and though no administration has interpreted the law to include airspace, they could. Law enforcement officers actively engaged in their duties are allowed to fly with their firearms, but off-duty and retired officers--including off-duty Federal Air Marshals--are not allowed to do so. If the officers are on the plane, and they they can make a difference, we should let them carry the tools to do so.

Let's put more guns on more planes

FLEOA and NTC want to give LEOSA qualified law enforcement officers the ability to carry concealed weapons on domestic flights. This is reasonable, provided they have specific training in "flying armed" policies and procedures. Executive Orders in place of or in defiance of statute are unconstitutional regardless of which administration commits the abuse. That being said, Executive Orders used to instruct Federal agencies on how to apply statute are obviously necessary, at times. This is one of those times. President Obama should immediately issue an order to the FAA, TSA, DHS, DOT, and other concerned agencies to allow for this and provide for access by TSA screeners to a database of LEOSA qualified officers. The President should also clarify that LEOSA covers domestic air travel.

The advantages to this plan are obvious and many-fold:

1. Qualified law enforcement officers would become an additional, and effective, deterrent and defense against crimes, including terrorism, on domestic flights.

2. Allowing LEOSA qualified officers who are already on the plane to carry firearms will more readily prevent 9/11-style attacks than the measures currently in place.

3. Potential terrorists might be able to neutralize a single Air Marshall, but when anyone on any given flight could be an active or retired policeman with the means and training to take them down, it greatly decreases the criminal's chances of success.

4. The costs of developing and maintaining the database are worth the benefits.

5. This would allow well over 1,000,000 additional potential assets (a 2006 Government Accountability Office survey found 137,929 LEOSA qualified Federal officers in 104 Federal components) to aid in airline security and safety operations.

This is a rare opportunity to do something that will actually make us safer, rather than simply make us feel safer, that is neither invasive nor cost-prohibitive.

Comments

Ghost Whisper 77 profile image

Ghost Whisper 77 2 years ago

Excellent hub!!

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

Thanks Ghost Whisper 77, glad you enjoyed it.

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The Rope 2 years ago

Well said! Can we email this to every member of the legislature??? Seriously, you did a fine job Jim.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

Thank you Rope, I think it's a good idea, and yes, send a link to all and sundry. Let hue and cry go forth! lol

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cameciob Level 2 Commenter 2 years ago

Jim, I agree they have to do something about flights. Terrorists seems to love airplanes. Every time in go to my country I’m feeling insecure though they have such tough check points in Amsterdam.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

cameciob - Thanks for commenting. This idea would help on domestic flights (like the ones on 9/11), but not international flights. Regardless, much of what we are doing or that is being suggested is not effective, and not going to be effective. This would be.

caretakerray 2 years ago

Jim Bryan; another great HUB. Though on must consider the potential for abuse, error of judgment, and forgery of documents.. All of will happen and give the enemy even more ammo for propaganda. That said, I do believe fear is a good deterrent. America has always believed in safety by armament ( though you wouldn't know it by our media), and I too believe the measures you propose would be very effective. Thanx for a great hub. :)

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SOBF Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Jim - I'm not disputing your suggestion, if totally safe it makes a great deal of sense. However, wouldn't the discharge of a firearm on a plane be dangerous?

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

caretakerray - abuse by individuals is beyond the scope and intent of this Hub. We can only hope such instances are prosecuted. Forgery would, in virtually every case, be prevented by a check/balance inherent in the database suggested. See below for errors in judgment.

SOBF - Your reservations are valid. IT IS NEVER SAFE TO DISCHARGE A FIREARM IN A PRESSURIZED CABIN!!! However, this is exactly why I suggested, in addition to the FLEOA, NTC, and LEOSA standards, "specific training in 'flying armed' policies and procedures," before lending my recommendation. Environment specific procedures should lend to the additional "safe" action of such off-duty operatives. Regardless, the lives of several hundred passengers do NOT outweigh several thousand casualties that might result from a 9/11-style attack--IF the several hundred would add to the several thousand--see relevant data surrounding Flight 93 for details.

The point being, to each, at some point we have to be willing to to give ourselves to something greater. to things we cannot control.

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A M Werner Level 4 Commenter 2 years ago

You know Jim, the saddest part is what every bodyguard knows, and that is, if a person is willing to lose their life in the attempt, it is almost impossible to stop them. Jon Stewart was just on Bill O'Riely yesterday and he brought up a perfect picture. You can defeat a whole government, but if there are ten people plotting in a room somewhere, you can't keep a war going to root these out. The end of your last comment is perfect. Despite all the intelligence and security, government can't control everything and it is foolish to expect them too. It's good to have some secuirty measures in place - but it also can escalate and reach foolish and tyranical levels if you let it. The motivating factor is always fear. It still amazes me when Americans talk about living in fear. Most don't know the first thing about it. Other nations have military troops and tanks occupy their streets - its like the old west. Other than some desperate areas in a few inner cities, Americans know almost perfect safety; and still they fear the person that looks different beside them. Peace.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

A M Werner - Thanks for your very insightful comments. I agree. In many countries, military troops double as police and powerful military figures rule the country, outright. Insofar as living in fear, since the goal of terrorism is to inspire terror (DUH), anyone giving into their fear has, de facto, already lost the "War on Terror."

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SOBF Level 1 Commenter 2 years ago

Jim - You make a very valid point on the potential casualties.

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Linda Faye Knoll 2 years ago

In addition, the war on terrorism in America and abroad could be far more effective if local law enforcement and state branches of Federal Agencies LISTENED TO AND TOOK REPORTS THEN INVESTIGATED allegations and bona fide proof of intent from American citizens trying to do their part.

In 1981, I reported a terrorist cell operating out of Oklahoma City and through a local city university. I reported both the intent of the 1995 Murrah Bombing and the intent of major attacks on this country, from within this country, via both our security systems, airline systems, and finalized by individuals out of Saudi Arabia working for and out of ARAMCO Oil Company in Houston, Texas. What I received from local law enforcement is: "There is nothing we can do about anything anyone from another country says while drunk.", "There is nothing we can do about someone from another country breaking into your home, stalking you and your son, and committing rape. He isn't an American."

Nor did the OSBI take what I had to say seriously. As a result, the Murrah Bombing occured. The 9/11 attacks occured and half of the idiots profiled in the back of the 9/11 Commission Report are those I tried to get off the streets and behind bars 20 years prior. In fact, 20 years to the day!! And they are all still running loose. Still tearing up my life. Still trafficking in narcotics. Still doing as they bloody well please. Still running at the mouth. Still running at the mouth about visiting child bordellos "elsewhere in the Middle East" and stalking me, my son, and whomever else they please. I am all for MORE GUNS -- in the hands of responsible, law abiding citizens fed right up with the Federal Governments rhetoric of horse poop. Any suggestions?

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Obscurely Diverse 2 years ago

This was a good hub.

I just got one thing to add or ask:

What about Tasers and/or stun guns, et cetera? Wouldn't that be safer to have on a plane?

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

SOBF: Thanks for your comment.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

Linda Faye Knoll: I'm sorry you've run into so much trouble over this, you you make a tertiary point. There are US companies who are simply profiteering from terrorism. Oil companies who rake in record profits because of self-induced shortages, technology companies who develop new software full of security breaches who then get paid to "fix" the very problems they caused in the first place, banks and hedge funds who invest in technologies like full-body scanners and then lobby congress to buy them. I don't think I need to mention defense contractors.

When government must be responsive to people, it is for the people. When Corporations control a government, you live in a fascist state. Corporations are created by governments, and should be tightly controlled by them, else in seeking the bottom line, these soulless constructs will devour us all.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 2 years ago

One problem with both is in engaging multiple targets. Tasers are good against one person at a time and not always effective against larger or drug addled opponents. Stun guns require touch proximity to deploy and suffer the same effectiveness barriers. Also, running current through some explosives can trigger them, not the best solution. Rubber bullets would be the best non-lethal alternative, or you could go the other way, in some handguns, and use Black Roses--bullets made from mahogany. You could also use Urban Combat Rounds. Both, though extremely lethal, have low penetration values.

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drcrischasse 22 months ago

Many great points Jim. It scares me how we take this so lightly.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 22 months ago

Thanks drcrischasse - I don't think we take it lightly. It's a complicated issue that requires effective action. Figuring out what will be effective and what's just going to waste time and money is a weighty issue.

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Kimberly Sanchez 20 months ago

you make many good points, but i would add that those officers traveling with weapons should register flight plans with @ least their superiors and the air marshal command. They are only human, and as subject to our baser nature as the least of us. Without clear oversight, the system could be wide open for abuse.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 20 months ago

Personally, I think the way the plan is being implemented is fine. Databases can be hacked, and hacked by terrorists. The random element is a more powerful deterrent, I think.

ruffridyer Level 4 Commenter 11 months ago

There was an episode on All in the Family where Archie Bunker told his son-in-law Mike that they should hand out handguns to all passengers boarding airplanes as a means to stop hijackings. It was a big joke of course yet I heard a report not to long ago about requiring high school teachers to have a gun with them in their class. How times have changed.

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Jim Bryan Hub Author 11 months ago

ruffridyer - I'll be the first to say that most people have no business with a gun, they simply aren't trained to use them and would likely do more harm than good. What I am trying to talk about is adding a real deterrent to terrorists that would cost the taxpayer virtually nothing.

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